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Fashion guru Tim Gunn joins design experts for a forum on first ladies and fashion, looking at the first ladies’ style and their influence in the fashion world, at the National Archives in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 30, 2014. With Gunn are (L-R) designer Tracy Reese, who has designed for First Lady Michelle Obama, Valerie Steele, Director and Chief Curator, the Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology and Lisa Kathleen Graddy, Deputy Chair and Chief Curator of Political History and the First Ladies Collection, Smithsonian National Museum of American History. (AP Photo/Molly Riley) Image Credit: AP

America’s first ladies went under Tim Gunn’s fashion microscope on Tuesday night, and the results weren’t always positive.

Style guru Gunn and a panel of experts cast a critical eye on first lady fashions at a National Archives forum, and not everyone fared as well as Michelle Obama.

The current first lady got top fashion reviews from Gunn and the other panellists, with Gunn rating her style sense as “divine.”

But he wondered why Edith Wilson, wife of Woodrow Wilson, felt compelled to play amateur seamstress and remake her dresses over and over.

As for possible future administrations, Gunn took note that Hillary Rodham Clinton’s been looking “rather presidential lately.” But the panellists said it had taken Clinton some time to warm up to the idea that a first lady’s style reflects on her husband’s administration.

Valerie Steele, director of The Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, noted that in the days of Sarah Polk, wife to James Polk, women wanted to show off a tiny waist, hands and feet, but have “plump, voluptuous shoulders and a big, big butt.”

“That sounds like Nicki Minaj, JLo and Kim K,” designer Tracy Reese declared.

Reese eyed a picture of an ivory brocade dress of Polk’s with a flouncy bottom and wondered aloud, “Can you imagine Kim Kardashian in that?”

Gunn sniffed: “I’d prefer not to.”

The forum was held at the National Archives, which has “signature” items worn by Jacqueline Kennedy and Obama on display as part of its exhibit, “Making their Mark: Stories Through Signatures.” Among the items on display: The black and red Narciso Rodriguez dress worn by Obama on the night of the 2008 election in Chicago, and a pillbox hat worn by Kennedy. The forum was presented in partnership with the White House Historical Association.